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[12/3/2013] NPB teams discuss posting system, telephone discussions to resume

by on Dec.04, 2013 @ 1:12 am, under MLB, NPB

The NPB held a twelve-team representatives meeting on Tuesday to discuss the posting system.  Officials from the NPB and MLB are expected to resume telephone negotiations within the next few days.  NPB Secretary General Atsushi Ihara told reporters they were able to work out how they wanted to proceed, but mentioned little else since discussions were still ongoing.

Rakuten Eagles President Yozo Tachibana took part in the meeting as well.

Source: Daily Sports 12/3/2013, Sponichi 12/3/2013

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The latest on the posting system from the New York Post's Joel Sherman:

... One person briefed on the matter said he believed that if something is not resolved in the next 7-10 days, the probability of having a system this offseason all but disappears, because MLB teams need to know sooner or later whether to budget for the chase.

Officials for the two sides and the Players Association met in person last week, and were expected to continue talks this week by phone. MLB officials have been determined to try to lower the fees transferred from their teams to Japanese clubs as part of the process to gain exclusive negotiating rights, and have indicated that the days of giving more than $51 million to a Japanese team simply for the right to then negotiate with Matsuzaka or Yu Darvish is gone.

MLB has a current proposal that involves a max threshold of just $20 million. In this scenario, MLB teams could put in a blind bid from nothing to $20 million, no more. What would happen if multiple teams bid $20 million – which would almost certainly be the case with Tanaka – has not fully been determined. However, the likelihood is the Japanese player would get to pick with which team he wants to negotiate.

Japanese officials are said to be strongly against this system, feeling it does not pay their teams enough for the player.

Source: New York Post 12/4/2013

9 comments on “[12/3/2013] NPB teams discuss posting system, telephone discussions to resume

  1. Kevinkoo

    I’m not sure why NPB teams are so against this. 20 million seems kinda of low, but if they can raise it to 30-35, I think that is fair. These players will just leave a year or two later anyway. So realistically, while I understand the NPB wants to try and keep talented Japanese players in Japan, the posting system is really just a way for teams to cash in on players who would otherwise leave in a few years. Teams should be happy they get anything at all for these guys.

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    1. IM

      I don’t think the NPB should agree to any money cap. It’s the MLB teams that chose to bid that high. That’s market forces.
      $20 million is way too low for a cap, NPB teams will probably just hang on to their stars at that price. Especially after seeing how high teams would pay in the past.
      If the fee had been capped at $20 a couple years ago probably half the league (MLB) would have paid the max to get Darvish. Then what, do they do a lottery for the rights?
      As far as being happy at all, the NPB has players that the MLB wants (the dollars show that) under contract, that means they have the leverage, why should they give in, other than it could cause some unhappiness for their star players that want to be posted.

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    2. muratafan

      That is the problem: how does one come up with a ‘fair’ posting fee? The prior posting regime was about as fair as a market can get: whoever bids highest wins.

      Is the posting fee going to be a rising scale? In other words, $35million seems ‘fair’ now, but how does someone make the same claim in 5-10 years. Who sets the posting fee?

      I can see how MLB is trying to get away with this: it IS collusion, but not the kind where anyone can take MLB to court like the U.S. players union can. It’s not like NPB can take MLB to court on this one.

      The problem is that MLB is trying to collude and see if NPB cracks. However, if the Yankees really start getting upset (and they might), then I can see where MLB would start to crack.

      In other words, how in the heck can the Yankees say ‘hey, WE WOULD PAY THE MOST, HOW COME WE CAN’T GET TANAKA?’ Isn’t that how a market is supposed to work.

      I guess similar to ‘rent control’ in NYC, there will have to be a lottery of sorts to see who gets to negotiate with Tanaka.

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  2. Steve Novosel

    A cap is ridiculous. These owners are the most capitalistic guys on the planet until they have the opportunity to artificially restrict the market via collusion. It’s disgusting.

    NPB should not agree to a cap.

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    1. muratafan

      I agree. Here’s what is interesting, I am pretty sure the Yankees are pretty steamed about this since they now have a 1/10 chance of winning since there are AT LEAST 10 teams willing to fork over $20million. Before, the Yankees probably had a 50/50 chance if they went ‘big’ which I am pretty sure that they would do.

      I REALLY hope NPB doesn’t cave on this one. God knows Rakuten (and Sendai) could use from $$$’s to make their stadium better (it’s not bad now, but it needs capacity renovations, etc..).

      The ‘small market’ MLB teams whining? Please, give me a break. That’s all they do.

      ALso, look at how the A’s hosed Iwakuma last year with regard to a ‘winning’ posting fee.

      What NPB COULD do is maybe make the posting fees NON-REFUNDABLE to keep strategic bids from being used to block a player from going somewhere that they really want to go.

      MLB can get bent.

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      1. Steve Novosel

        I completely agree.

        If MLB wanted to let the small clubs be competitive on these bids, the only thing that needs to be done is count the posting fee against the luxury tax. Simple. Everyone’s on the same footing then.

        With a $20M cap, what incentive is there for an NPB holding the rights to a truly valuable player like a Tanaka or in a few years Fujinami/Otani to post that player? A position player who would get less than $20M posting fee or one who is somewhere in that neighborhood, sure. But why would a team like Rakuten agree to this? All it does is cost them at least $30M.

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        1. muratafan

          I think all it would take is for the Yankees to lose out on tanaka and I am pretty sure that there will be subsequent changes. What will be interesting is to see how the ‘lottery’ works, because if the ‘rights’ to negotiate are ‘exclusive’, then if all the MLB teams wanted Tanaka is Tanaka ‘forced’ to sign with whoever wins the lottery? Or can he negotiate with another MLB team that also bid $20m?

          The devil is in the details on this one in terms of what will happen to Tanaka.

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